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now your electrifying hosts of exploring

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the bizarre Timothy Begley and team

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sports there must be some kind of way

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out of here said the Joker to the thief

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there's too much confusion I can't get

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oh you sound just like Bob Dylan Tim but

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why the protest song the Vietnam War has

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been over a long time ago I'm not

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singing about Vietnam this has to do

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with the watch tower in the San Luis

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Valley where you office fly nearby and

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our guests and I keep track of the

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hundreds of animal mutilations that take

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place there okay that's that's really

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scary now I've heard that aliens sent

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down claw-like devices and snatch up

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cattle all times of day and night now I

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would have to see it to believe it

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here take one of these damn burger so we

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can get our spirits up to do the show no

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I don't think I want one you never know

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when one of those bad boys will come

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down out of the sky and grab you and the

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burger so let's get out of here and get

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back to the K cor studios where it's

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safe and warm and nothing to be afraid

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of I tell you must be some way out of

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here said the Joker to the

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there you go

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pesky animal rustlers they're from the

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sky Tim are you there are you back in

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the studio no shoo yes I mean made it

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did you bring the bird you know they

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can't please they they kept those yeah

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we got to do something about that our

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our guest today you're gonna tell us

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what to do about that I'm sure so how

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you doing out there in the yeah how you

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do it out there and Jasper Indiana hey

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we gotta send a shout-out at the

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beginning of our show to our associate

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Sean Castile who's got has problem there

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he's in the hospital I did talk to him

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this afternoon and he seemed in high

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spirits but that might have been from

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the morphine I'm not sure but hopefully

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he'll pee hopefully he'll be be home in

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a short while he's anxious to get back

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to editing our forthcoming their titles

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and boy do I have a whole list thought

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you know I just can't keep up with all

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that this discoveries were making well

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okay are you sure that that he's in the

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hospital Tim for for medical reasons or

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he just needed a break from all the

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books that we keep well I don't know

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well he I think you said they were

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legitimately but hopefully I mean he'll

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be back back in a back home in a little

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while and fully recovered in and strong

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but hey we got a show and a half tonight

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from the beginning our our little

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introduction I guess you could tell

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we're going to be talking about animal

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mutilations and some very strange things

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yeah we've got two fantastic guests

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tonight we have first of all we have

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Judy Meza line and and Chris O'Brien now

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let's start out with a Judy now have you

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ever wondered Tim what a real UFO looks

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planets well yeah it's kind of its kind

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of you know like something I've thought

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her favorite TV shows were sightings we

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remember sightings that like that one

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that she was hearing things like great

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sand dunes and San Luis Valley on many

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of these episodes so with this in mind

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she was a cattle rancher but who became

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raise cattle so considering her interest

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in UFOs and the high number of UFO

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activity in the area she created the UFO

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Watchtower viewing platform dedicated to

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the observation of UFOs and all things

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unexplained from the stars above now

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judy is also author of the book that

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crazy lady down the street I love that

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title now also with us tonight is Chris

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O'Brien Chris is making a return visit

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to exploring bizarre always happy to

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have him with us now since 1992

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paranormal events reported in the San

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officials ex-military ranchers and an

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extensive network of sky watchers from

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most intense waves of unexplained

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system in and around the valley now

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Chris is also the author of the

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groundbreaking book stalking the herd

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it's the first book on the subject that

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objectively examines the unexplained

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livestock death phenomena one of the

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most perplexing mysteries of our time so

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explore in the bazaar yes indeed indeed

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did I hear something about Judy where

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states currently that's what they've

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who's describing to us the visits by the

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missile in lights and the small little

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valley that has a population about 200

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snowdrifts in fact when dr. Hynek was

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out there and waiting for the lights to

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below zero so and I remember when I

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spot those and how far okay now why did

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mutilations there is that

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books by Christopher O'Brien she said

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herd because they don't eat Sandra well

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sightings of the valley the UFO

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week and there's something up there

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you're gonna see it you know well not

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not we're not where I am because I'm off

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of 50 Avenue in Manhattan you can't see

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anything except for tall buildings I'll

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a for a week well no I wouldn't have

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cigar shaped and it was narrow and

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mountains and partway down the mountain

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dozen people here everybody saw it

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so then you started saying what the heck

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was it you know so then we've seen

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everybody is seeing them they're seeing

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them with the naked eye they're showing

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up in pictures and we have no clue what

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those are about now why don't you give

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us a little bit of an idea exactly where

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location that's very isolated or pretty

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isolated I mean I can tell from the the

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photograph of the of the tower what do

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you look out over exactly well from the

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tower you've got a 360 degree view so

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mainly people are looking towards the

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great sand dunes and what is the great

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what is the great sand dude because I

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search on the valley yeah it's a

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national park and we've had all kinds of

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reports of people seeing things over

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there now is this it yeah no is this

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like is this the the largest sand dune

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in the United States yeah I think not

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the largest sand dune hi Tim hi Tim hi G

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yeah yeah yeah yeah it's the highest

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sand in desert in the world okay hi yeah

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how high is it exactly you need the

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average at the base it's about seven

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thousand seven hundred feet and it goes

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up above 9,000 and can you can you climb

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it I mean or recommend it unless you're

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pretty fit in the sand the summer gets

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150 degrees whoa yeah and then oh so you

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were you gonna do any real exploring

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there I mean it would with save yeah

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well kids they surf down it they have

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surfboards that they use kind of like

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yeah I guess almost like a like ski and

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they they actually ski down but then it

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takes a heck of a long time to hike up

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well Tim and I are gonna book a plane

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because we've been wanting to do this

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santa-san board I have a snowboard I

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don't know if it's similar zipping down

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there and no time at at all now so do

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a little idea about how

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at Chris how far this actually

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encompasses this UFO and mutilation

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activity well the the actual dune field

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is about 50 square miles it's about

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seven by seven I think miles and like I

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said it does it goes up kind of up the

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side of the the mountains about two

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thousand feet the actual highest dunes

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are about 700 feet and it's one of the

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largest piles of pure glass or 98

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percent glass on the planet and it's

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it's pretty interesting it's only been

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there for about eleven thousand years

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they and they really don't know how it

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got there there's several theories that

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have been proposed but none of them

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really worked too well it's hard to

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imagine piling up billions of tons of

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sand and in only 11,000 years they did

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an actual survey they went down with a

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with a drill at the highest point of

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their dune field all the way down to the

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bottom and they ran into an ancient

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force that had been covered up so

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because it was organic material they

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were able to you know do the carbon-14

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dating and they were amazed when they

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found out that the trees are from 11,000

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years ago

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there's remains of humans that go back

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13,000 years so it's like like humans

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have been coming to the valley there

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before the dunes were even there now the

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UFO site the UFO sightings and the

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mutilations in the valley how big of an

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area are are we talking about that this

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activity covers all over the state all

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over the state well we've had recent

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sightings uh I know it's been on the CNN

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and and all and it's not fake news about

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these mysterious drones now didn't you

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tell me in a recent conversation that

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there had been sightings of drones

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before and we know that there have been

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sightings of black helicopters in

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association with some of these

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mutilations and the UFO sightings but is

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this the first flap of drones yeah to my

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knowledge and that again is

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way up at the northeast corner of the

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state over the border into Nebraska and

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around fort Warren this is very

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interesting Norio Hayakawa's done a lot

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of digging on this and has come up with

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a theory that we're dealing with some

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sort of espionage that they were some

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bad actor was flying drones into the to

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the missile fields up there and and we

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put our drones after their drones and

329
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there was kind of a drone war the

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potential of some sort of 'scrimish with

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with you know drone battles so you know

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it's the jury's out on that I'm not

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really sure what to make of it but I

334
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find it interesting that the area where

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all these drones are is probably the the

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epicenter of the cattle mutilation waves

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in the 70s there were more mutilations

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up there in Weld County than probably

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any other spot in the country well well

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I understand that some of these drones

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are as big as automobiles now that's a

342
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pretty darn big a big known I mean I

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don't I don't think you could buy that

344
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on Amazon I mean I but yeah maybe I've

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even seen them flying a drone said you

346
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know like two blocks from here on Fifth

347
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Avenue I mean with a they weren't

348
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anything particularly spectacular but

349
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now Chris you you were you were a native

350
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New Yorker until you moved out to the to

351
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Colorado and you were involved in the

352
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music business and I guess you you you

353
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certainly still are in fact I met you at

354
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the record plant there are some studio

355
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here in Manhattan before we knew each

356
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other as being involved in UFOs I think

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okay yeah let's not push that but okay

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why in god's name did you move from

359
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well i don't want to say i'm not exactly

360
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in love with Manhattan anymore either

361
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because I got pounding and drilling

362
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outside my window there's four

363
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skyscrapers going up on the block and if

364
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you want to but if you want to buy a

365
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condominium on the skyscraper on the

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corner a one-bedroom starts at 2.2

367
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million so I know but if we combine the

368
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royalty from all our books maybe we can

369
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get a two-bedroom place there I take I'm

370
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sure but what what major I mean it

371
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wasn't for you it wasn't a career move

372
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was that you moved from New York to

373
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Colorado well I actually moved to Boston

374
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for a couple years I was with a real

375
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popular band up there and and that kind

376
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of fell apart after a couple years and I

377
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decided to get back out west I'm

378
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actually a fifth generation Californian

379
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and my girlfriend and I you know we we

380
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checked out Santa Fe and we can only

381
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stand it for about a week and I had

382
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friends that lived up in the valley in

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Christ's own and they invited us to come

384
00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:35,620
check it out and it was there for

385
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thirteen years and you you just moved

386
00:20:46,140 --> 00:20:44,170
recently moved back to upstate yeah yeah

387
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but you you still get you you have your

388
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cow cameras mounted in the valley so

389
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there if a morning UFO who's right there

390
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you go it's is that the best observation

391
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spot around you bet if I was gonna have

392
00:21:07,610 --> 00:21:03,450
a UFO Watchtower I'd put it right there

393
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but okay so you you you moved out there

394
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and it wasn't it on like New Year's Eve

395
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that you were at a party and you heard

396
00:21:19,740 --> 00:21:17,950
people talking there were chatting about

397
00:21:20,490 --> 00:21:19,750
this yeah yeah that's a wonderful story

398
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yeah

399
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night I found out that there was on

400
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December 9th 92 there was a an amazing

401
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siding of 200-foot ovals that came down

402
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out of the song graves went out over one

403
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of the creeks and hovered there for a

404
00:21:43,049 --> 00:21:39,580
few few seconds and then and then took

405
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off and he's a sizable percentage of the

406
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little town saw I saw these things and I

407
00:21:50,460 --> 00:21:48,550
didn't I was gigging it somewhere else I

408
00:21:53,340 --> 00:21:50,470
I think I was across in the other side

409
00:21:55,919 --> 00:21:53,350
of the valley playing and I I missed out

410
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but then you know later on just about

411
00:21:59,370 --> 00:21:57,610
two or three weeks later I had the party

412
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and everywhere I went in the party

413
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:00,070
everybody was

414
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talking about these ovals so I contacted

415
00:22:06,690 --> 00:22:04,870
the local paper or the crest tawny eagle

416
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:06,700
and said hey I think I have a good a

417
00:22:11,730 --> 00:22:10,330
good story idea and and I started doing

418
00:22:13,290 --> 00:22:11,740
some research because I had a couple

419
00:22:16,650 --> 00:22:13,300
weeks to get you know the article

420
00:22:21,570 --> 00:22:16,660
together and within a week I'd uncovered

421
00:22:23,370 --> 00:22:21,580
enough material to write a book how many

422
00:22:28,410 --> 00:22:23,380
how many books you've written now five

423
00:22:33,900 --> 00:22:28,420
no no six hey I'm missing one in my

424
00:22:37,770 --> 00:22:33,910
collection well that explains it okay

425
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:37,780
well I call these the the mysterious

426
00:22:45,060 --> 00:22:40,210
valley series but run off a few of the

427
00:22:47,310 --> 00:22:45,070
titles well judy judy round them off

428
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:47,320
with serious valleys the first one enter

429
00:22:51,690 --> 00:22:49,600
the valley as a second and then secrets

430
00:22:53,130 --> 00:22:51,700
of the mysterious valley picks up with

431
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:53,140
those two leave off and then I also

432
00:22:59,400 --> 00:22:56,050
include my best cases from the first two

433
00:23:01,170 --> 00:22:59,410
books in there and and then I'm you know

434
00:23:04,860 --> 00:23:01,180
the stocking the herd book of course has

435
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:04,870
a bit of information about all the

436
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:08,050
cattle fees oh shoot shoot shoot here

437
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:11,890
that comes up at time to get our breath

438
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[Music]

439
00:23:30,790 --> 00:23:28,240
now back to exploring the bazaars with

440
00:23:33,790 --> 00:23:30,800
two of the most electrifying researchers

441
00:23:38,770 --> 00:23:33,800
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy

442
00:23:40,750 --> 00:23:38,780
beckylyn and chase lists alright welcome

443
00:23:43,330 --> 00:23:40,760
back to exploring the bazaar I'm Tim

444
00:23:44,380 --> 00:23:43,340
Schwarz tonight our guests are

445
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:44,390
christopher o'brien

446
00:23:54,660 --> 00:23:49,760
and judy misalign now Judy when when you

447
00:23:59,140 --> 00:23:54,670
first started up the the UFO Watchtower

448
00:24:01,300 --> 00:23:59,150
now was it was it an instant success you

449
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:01,310
have you know like people beating down

450
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:04,730
your gate to get in there or was it a

451
00:24:12,670 --> 00:24:08,000
little bit slow to start - word of mouth

452
00:24:16,330 --> 00:24:12,680
got out well and I did over 250 radio

453
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:16,340
interviews before even opening so I was

454
00:24:23,370 --> 00:24:19,730
assuming they were going to be lined up

455
00:24:25,690 --> 00:24:23,380
to come in well hardly anybody came in

456
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:25,700
well you were even in the New York Times

457
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:27,770
you were in the New York Times as well

458
00:24:36,190 --> 00:24:32,690
okay and the LA Times gosh this is gone

459
00:24:40,930 --> 00:24:36,200
all over the world with interviews etc

460
00:24:43,690 --> 00:24:40,940
etc but it's been the last few years

461
00:24:47,530 --> 00:24:43,700
where it has really come into its own

462
00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:47,540
and in the summer we are so busy it just

463
00:24:54,340 --> 00:24:50,240
it takes two or three of us to keep up

464
00:25:00,820 --> 00:24:54,350
over there but but anyway I'm not the

465
00:25:04,210 --> 00:25:00,830
least bit unhappy that I started it what

466
00:25:06,730 --> 00:25:04,220
what was the reaction with your with

467
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:06,740
your friends and other people around

468
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:08,930
there when you said hey I'm gonna I'm

469
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:14,090
gonna build this UFO Watchtower and and

470
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:15,890
it looks like that you've got a building

471
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:20,450
attached with it that you have maybe you

472
00:25:25,270 --> 00:25:23,120
know souvenirs and other items of

473
00:25:27,370 --> 00:25:25,280
interest I mean you know did did your

474
00:25:29,020 --> 00:25:27,380
friend say oh yeah that's really a great

475
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:29,030
Judy and then you know get on the phone

476
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:32,080
to call the doctors

477
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:35,330
well the name of my book is that crazy

478
00:25:41,530 --> 00:25:38,450
lady down the road and how I got the

479
00:25:43,570 --> 00:25:41,540
title was from the locals around here

480
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:43,580
and that's what they would call me is

481
00:25:51,700 --> 00:25:48,650
that crazy lady down the road so but

482
00:25:57,100 --> 00:25:51,710
they don't anymore so many of them down

483
00:25:59,410 --> 00:25:57,110
here have seen something you know I get

484
00:26:02,080 --> 00:25:59,420
calls all the time from folks saying

485
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:02,090
that they saw something in the sky or I

486
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:06,010
had a couple who came in and there was

487
00:26:15,490 --> 00:26:10,010
one that landed on their property Oh her

488
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:15,500
by for Garland and they said they didn't

489
00:26:20,170 --> 00:26:17,450
even go outside they watched it from the

490
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:20,180
windows inside but it kind of spooked

491
00:26:33,370 --> 00:26:29,530
him so I really I would say Judy and

492
00:26:36,130 --> 00:26:33,380
correct me if I'm wrong but there's so

493
00:26:38,890 --> 00:26:36,140
many different types of things that are

494
00:26:41,490 --> 00:26:38,900
unusual that you can spot there because

495
00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:41,500
you do have such a you know panorama of

496
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:45,200
360 degree unobstructed view you can

497
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:47,570
literally see if you're up off the

498
00:26:53,950 --> 00:26:50,000
valley floor in the foothills you can

499
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:53,960
see almost 300 miles and invariably

500
00:26:58,210 --> 00:26:55,970
people see stuff down there and after

501
00:27:00,490 --> 00:26:58,220
you've seen a few things it almost

502
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:00,500
starts to become sort of normal

503
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:03,890
I have people mention this to me all the

504
00:27:07,060 --> 00:27:06,080
time that oh yeah I see those all the

505
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:07,070
time no big deal

506
00:27:12,940 --> 00:27:10,490
and you know when you hear about places

507
00:27:15,670 --> 00:27:12,950
that are supposedly the you know the the

508
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:15,680
biggest sighting area in the country but

509
00:27:21,010 --> 00:27:18,410
but only one in ten which is the common

510
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:21,020
number that's thrown out one in ten the

511
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:24,050
events are actually reported I would say

512
00:27:31,030 --> 00:27:26,690
in the San Luis Valley that it's upwards

513
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:31,040
of one in fifty hmm our report and it

514
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:33,650
may even be higher than that people

515
00:27:38,410 --> 00:27:36,410
don't want to be made fun of you know

516
00:27:41,170 --> 00:27:38,420
yeah and that's what's so great about

517
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:41,180
the UFO watch towers they come in they

518
00:27:45,490 --> 00:27:43,850
tell us their stories we don't ask them

519
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:45,500
what they were smoking or what they were

520
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:47,090
drinking because that's what they get

521
00:27:51,730 --> 00:27:48,650
from their friends

522
00:27:55,330 --> 00:27:51,740
they need a place to vent and talk about

523
00:27:59,380 --> 00:27:55,340
it and not be made fun of and we offer

524
00:28:02,650 --> 00:27:59,390
that what would you say what would you

525
00:28:04,540 --> 00:28:02,660
say is the most spectacular of sighting

526
00:28:10,990 --> 00:28:04,550
duty that's been made from the

527
00:28:13,270 --> 00:28:11,000
watchtower or from the nearby I think

528
00:28:15,850 --> 00:28:13,280
the most amazing one was we had a fella

529
00:28:18,850 --> 00:28:15,860
who parked his camper over by the tower

530
00:28:21,130 --> 00:28:18,860
and he stayed there for a few days while

531
00:28:25,330 --> 00:28:21,140
he was on the phone talking to a friend

532
00:28:29,860 --> 00:28:25,340
of his ship came over and hovered over

533
00:28:32,110 --> 00:28:29,870
the top of his camper and he went

534
00:28:36,130 --> 00:28:32,120
berserk he said he didn't think he'd

535
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:36,140
ever see anything especially that so

536
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:40,490
that was a pretty good story I would say

537
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:40,850
so

538
00:28:49,030 --> 00:28:44,810
now how about as far as the animals

539
00:28:51,700 --> 00:28:49,040
disappearing and mutilations and all do

540
00:28:53,670 --> 00:28:51,710
you still have a channel are you a

541
00:28:57,790 --> 00:28:53,680
grazing cattle there at all

542
00:29:02,590 --> 00:28:57,800
we have for now we got rid of entire

543
00:29:07,090 --> 00:29:02,600
herd and it was we had rented some

544
00:29:10,300 --> 00:29:07,100
property to the west of us from one of

545
00:29:12,940 --> 00:29:10,310
the farmers and he told us to move the

546
00:29:16,690 --> 00:29:12,950
animals it was time for him to put his

547
00:29:20,140 --> 00:29:16,700
animals on it and our animals hadn't

548
00:29:24,550 --> 00:29:20,150
been off of that for a month and he had

549
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:24,560
a mutilation at his place hmm so um I'm

550
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:29,360
glad my cows went there hey a crisp why

551
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:31,760
don't you take us back to the beginning

552
00:29:37,900 --> 00:29:35,450
of the mutilations because you know this

553
00:29:42,010 --> 00:29:37,910
goes back so many years now that people

554
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:42,020
may not know about our favor that the

555
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:45,970
very famous horse that started this all

556
00:29:54,580 --> 00:29:50,570
yeah the first real publicized case that

557
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:54,590
we know of at least a case that became

558
00:30:01,930 --> 00:29:58,240
international news was in the first

559
00:30:04,269 --> 00:30:01,940
September 8th 1967

560
00:30:05,980 --> 00:30:04,279
and south of the Great Sand Dunes on

561
00:30:08,639 --> 00:30:05,990
some of those Meadows I talked about

562
00:30:14,110 --> 00:30:08,649
where the early traces of man are

563
00:30:16,690 --> 00:30:14,120
there's a King Ranch there and the herd

564
00:30:18,879 --> 00:30:16,700
of horses came in for water and feed and

565
00:30:21,159 --> 00:30:18,889
one of them was missing and the horses

566
00:30:25,180 --> 00:30:21,169
seemed seem pretty spooked and so the

567
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:25,190
the rancher went out who was the the

568
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:27,679
brother of the the owner of the horse he

569
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:29,840
went out looking for and he found her in

570
00:30:33,070 --> 00:30:31,730
a meadow and she was about a hundred

571
00:30:38,499 --> 00:30:33,080
feet from her tracks

572
00:30:42,009 --> 00:30:38,509
and her entire skull and neck down to

573
00:30:44,860 --> 00:30:42,019
the shoulders was totally hoovered all

574
00:30:47,230 --> 00:30:44,870
the flesh and tendons and pide and

575
00:30:50,919 --> 00:30:47,240
muscles and everything were were gone

576
00:30:52,330 --> 00:30:50,929
and the bones were this you know ghostly

577
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:52,340
white color like they've been bleached

578
00:30:57,730 --> 00:30:54,559
in the Sun for years and she'd been

579
00:31:00,039 --> 00:30:57,740
alive the the night before the brain was

580
00:31:02,499 --> 00:31:00,049
gone and no break into the cranium

581
00:31:06,820 --> 00:31:02,509
there was no break into the into the

582
00:31:10,269 --> 00:31:06,830
ribcage or there was no way they could

583
00:31:11,789 --> 00:31:10,279
see the actual heart and lungs had been

584
00:31:13,659 --> 00:31:11,799
taken out and they couldn't really

585
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:13,669
determine how that was done

586
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:16,610
a necropsy was done on the animal by

587
00:31:23,649 --> 00:31:20,450
John Altschuler who was a resident was

588
00:31:25,570 --> 00:31:23,659
just getting his medical degree he later

589
00:31:27,879 --> 00:31:25,580
on because of the incident I became

590
00:31:30,909 --> 00:31:27,889
fascinated with the fact that the horse

591
00:31:33,460 --> 00:31:30,919
had no blood and he became II a very

592
00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:33,470
well known hematologist or he studied

593
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:37,129
study blood and it that like I said that

594
00:31:41,980 --> 00:31:39,730
became an international news story

595
00:31:44,919 --> 00:31:41,990
reporters came from all over the world

596
00:31:49,180 --> 00:31:44,929
there were people lining the the roads

597
00:31:51,970 --> 00:31:49,190
dozens of cars at some points even up to

598
00:31:56,740 --> 00:31:51,980
a hundred cars would would park and wait

599
00:32:00,940 --> 00:31:56,750
for the UFO waves it would come that 66

600
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:00,950
a fall of 66 the spring of 67 all

601
00:32:06,369 --> 00:32:03,289
through the summer into the fall all the

602
00:32:08,590 --> 00:32:06,379
way till the fall of 69 there was about

603
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:08,600
a three four year period where there was

604
00:32:13,060 --> 00:32:10,450
just hundreds and hundreds of sightings

605
00:32:14,900 --> 00:32:13,070
including little little objects in broad

606
00:32:18,140 --> 00:32:14,910
daylight that would dive-bomb car

607
00:32:20,690 --> 00:32:18,150
on their way out to the dunes and and

608
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:20,700
then disappear directly into the

609
00:32:25,310 --> 00:32:23,370
foothills you know right there by Blanca

610
00:32:28,940 --> 00:32:25,320
peak and all the mountains there on the

611
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:28,950
the Blanca Massif there and it was

612
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:31,440
really a big deal back in the day and

613
00:32:36,980 --> 00:32:34,770
there were tons of newspaper stories and

614
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:36,990
articles in the Valley courier and the

615
00:32:42,290 --> 00:32:39,360
Pueblo chieftain and the Kansas City

616
00:32:45,230 --> 00:32:42,300
Star had a big article all of which of

617
00:32:46,370 --> 00:32:45,240
course I was lucky enough to know one of

618
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:46,380
the researchers that have been

619
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:49,170
interested in the valley Tom Adams and

620
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:51,360
he sent me hard copies of all these

621
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:54,570
wonderful you know documentation of

622
00:32:59,150 --> 00:32:57,450
people sighting claims and we you know I

623
00:33:01,580 --> 00:32:59,160
thought it when I moved there in 89 I

624
00:33:03,140 --> 00:33:01,590
thought it was all ancient history I

625
00:33:05,540 --> 00:33:03,150
didn't think there was still stuff going

626
00:33:07,340 --> 00:33:05,550
going on and and then you know slowly

627
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:07,350
over the next couple years you know I

628
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:09,600
started seeing stuff and I started

629
00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:11,370
talking to people that saw stuff and you

630
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:13,710
know I I would ask around some of the

631
00:33:17,810 --> 00:33:15,360
old-timers and they look at me like I

632
00:33:19,070 --> 00:33:17,820
had two heads and so I kind of figured

633
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:19,080
pretty quickly that you know I should

634
00:33:23,810 --> 00:33:21,600
just kind of just keep my ears open and

635
00:33:26,050 --> 00:33:23,820
not really do too much digging it's when

636
00:33:30,020 --> 00:33:26,060
we really had the big wave of activity

637
00:33:32,150 --> 00:33:30,030
all through 93 4 & 5 that those three

638
00:33:33,890 --> 00:33:32,160
years or then it kind of went down a

639
00:33:37,340 --> 00:33:33,900
little bit ninety six seven eight was

640
00:33:40,580 --> 00:33:37,350
really really heavy and and by that time

641
00:33:43,970 --> 00:33:40,590
I mean it was a it was a you know the

642
00:33:46,510 --> 00:33:43,980
big time news around the world I had to

643
00:33:48,830 --> 00:33:46,520
get a bigger mailbox because of all the

644
00:33:51,290 --> 00:33:48,840
correspondence it was coming in this is

645
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:51,300
all pretty much pre-internet so you know

646
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:53,010
this is all you know to do it at the old

647
00:33:57,380 --> 00:33:55,890
fashioned way as opposed to today where

648
00:34:00,350 --> 00:33:57,390
you can get a lot done just sitting in

649
00:34:03,470 --> 00:34:00,360
your house you know back then I put ten

650
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:03,480
thousand or ten thousand I wish I put a

651
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:05,760
hundred thousand miles on my truck in in

652
00:34:12,260 --> 00:34:10,320
less than six years so now you know

653
00:34:16,369 --> 00:34:12,270
there's a photo we published in UFO deja

654
00:34:19,460 --> 00:34:16,379
vu view bending over and I think taking

655
00:34:21,860 --> 00:34:19,470
a picture of one of these mutilated yeah

656
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:21,870
that was pretty near Judy's place that

657
00:34:27,230 --> 00:34:24,240
was there right there on the edge of

658
00:34:28,370 --> 00:34:27,240
Hooper between Hooper and Center right

659
00:34:32,780 --> 00:34:28,380
off road

660
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:32,790
1:12 Judy it was a really rare winter

661
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:35,970
case there'd been a real thick fog that

662
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:38,850
night and the the rancher heard his dogs

663
00:34:44,660 --> 00:34:42,450
barking about 6:30 in the morning and he

664
00:34:46,970 --> 00:34:44,670
saw this weird powerful blue light

665
00:34:49,790 --> 00:34:46,980
through the fog and he he was so scared

666
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:49,800
he didn't go out there and he went out

667
00:34:56,450 --> 00:34:52,370
you know as soon as the Sun came up and

668
00:34:59,480 --> 00:34:56,460
about eight o'clock and found found the

669
00:35:01,090 --> 00:34:59,490
animal their mutilated line melting the

670
00:35:03,110 --> 00:35:01,100
snow because it was still warm and

671
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:03,120
immediately called me and I was there

672
00:35:07,970 --> 00:35:06,210
while it was still warm and that that's

673
00:35:11,630 --> 00:35:07,980
one of the photographs that were taken

674
00:35:14,090 --> 00:35:11,640
out it took a lot of video now tell us

675
00:35:16,370 --> 00:35:14,100
about some of the the photographs I I

676
00:35:22,190 --> 00:35:16,380
know we published this and you've got

677
00:35:25,610 --> 00:35:22,200
some on your amazing website these

678
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:25,620
things the UFOs have actually been seen

679
00:35:31,220 --> 00:35:28,890
to change a shape I know you have one

680
00:35:33,380 --> 00:35:31,230
picture there where this thing that it

681
00:35:36,350 --> 00:35:33,390
looks like a drone or a probe or or

682
00:35:38,990 --> 00:35:36,360
something or other and we've gotten many

683
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:39,000
reports recently in fact we put out a

684
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:41,490
new edition of the book just to add 30

685
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:43,770
pages to it because we got all this

686
00:35:48,860 --> 00:35:46,800
information coming in about morphing

687
00:35:51,740 --> 00:35:48,870
UFOs we got one case in margin Tina

688
00:35:54,980 --> 00:35:51,750
where the object itself turned into the

689
00:35:59,690 --> 00:35:54,990
alien Wow how's about that how's about

690
00:36:02,510 --> 00:35:59,700
that one yeah tell us something about

691
00:36:03,950 --> 00:36:02,520
the objects themselves now you don't

692
00:36:06,500 --> 00:36:03,960
necessarily think that there are

693
00:36:13,330 --> 00:36:06,510
extraterrestrial they could be any

694
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:13,340
number of things but you're the fence

695
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:16,650
I'm not a big believer that aliens are

696
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:19,680
behind the technology that we're seeing

697
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:22,170
flying around I think it's not by

698
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:24,240
accident that they showed up really and

699
00:36:29,660 --> 00:36:27,810
mass large flotillas and large groups of

700
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:29,670
them showed up in the right after we

701
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:32,490
started blowing up you know atomic bombs

702
00:36:39,650 --> 00:36:37,170
I think that 47 you know those early

703
00:36:41,900 --> 00:36:39,660
waves in the summer were a show of force

704
00:36:44,510 --> 00:36:41,910
because we were putting

705
00:36:46,670 --> 00:36:44,520
those pilots of those ships in danger by

706
00:36:48,730 --> 00:36:46,680
blowing off nuclear weapons which would

707
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:48,740
suggest that there is terrestrial

708
00:36:53,450 --> 00:36:51,119
possibly even more terrestrial than we

709
00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:53,460
are I think it's a kind of a homespun

710
00:36:58,819 --> 00:36:56,250
closed system phenomenon other tenants

711
00:37:02,470 --> 00:36:58,829
in the building let's say whether that's

712
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:02,480
dimensional time based or suboceanic

713
00:37:06,049 --> 00:37:05,280
subterranean I think that you're longer

714
00:37:08,809 --> 00:37:06,059
than we have

715
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:08,819
we like to not see German Theory

716
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:13,770
ourselves some of that technology but it

717
00:37:18,740 --> 00:37:16,890
doesn't it doesn't conform to - it only

718
00:37:21,500 --> 00:37:18,750
conforms to a small percentage of the

719
00:37:23,420 --> 00:37:21,510
sighting events you know in the valley I

720
00:37:27,470 --> 00:37:23,430
have one thing and I think Judy will

721
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,480
will kind of echo this sentiment about

722
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:29,520
any type of craft that's ever been

723
00:37:34,460 --> 00:37:31,920
reported you can see in the valley I've

724
00:37:37,549 --> 00:37:34,470
seen all the different sizes and colors

725
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:37,559
of orbs on the most common being the

726
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:39,839
silver orbs which you see almost daily

727
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:43,760
there and and large rectangular craft

728
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:47,609
large dozen triangle craft sightings

729
00:37:53,779 --> 00:37:49,760
including - seen by law enforcement

730
00:37:55,789 --> 00:37:53,789
being accompanied by in one case f-16s

731
00:38:00,859 --> 00:37:55,799
in another case accompanied by

732
00:38:02,539 --> 00:38:00,869
helicopters in a third case - smaller

733
00:38:04,940 --> 00:38:02,549
triangles when right in front of a car

734
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:04,950
she was headed down the road to the sand

735
00:38:09,410 --> 00:38:07,440
dunes and these things went shooting

736
00:38:11,390 --> 00:38:09,420
past her right in front of her car and

737
00:38:16,430 --> 00:38:11,400
then two f-16s were following right

738
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:16,440
behind in full combat power so pretty

739
00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:20,490
much any type of craft it's described at

740
00:38:26,329 --> 00:38:23,609
some point has been witnessed and

741
00:38:31,130 --> 00:38:26,339
reported in the valley I myself have

742
00:38:34,609 --> 00:38:31,140
seen pretty much every type of craft

743
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:34,619
imaginable daylight sightings of small

744
00:38:41,539 --> 00:38:36,960
Scout ships going right across the road

745
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:41,549
a 150 feet away from me it's it's just

746
00:38:46,279 --> 00:38:43,650
it's amazing when there's when there's

747
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:46,289
activity going on it's it's really

748
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:53,690
well Judy what about you I mean what

749
00:39:00,960 --> 00:38:57,330
what kind of objects have have you seen

750
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:00,970
have you seen the picture of Kenneth

751
00:39:06,510 --> 00:39:03,490
Arnold with the ships that he saw

752
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:06,520
yeah the crescent-shaped right yeah like

753
00:39:12,750 --> 00:39:10,000
a shoe heel yeah we saw that one from

754
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:12,760
the tower it was over by Mount Blanca

755
00:39:18,570 --> 00:39:15,490
and at first thought it was a bird and

756
00:39:25,290 --> 00:39:18,580
then it dawns on us it's 40 miles away

757
00:39:28,620 --> 00:39:25,300
it couldn't be a perfect was very big so

758
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:28,630
it was reported again the following week

759
00:39:34,860 --> 00:39:31,450
some folks down by poor Garland saw it

760
00:39:36,750 --> 00:39:34,870
and he said he was really upset because

761
00:39:41,070 --> 00:39:36,760
he didn't have a camera because it was

762
00:39:43,530 --> 00:39:41,080
only like 150 yards from him well and

763
00:39:45,870 --> 00:39:43,540
then there there was another family in

764
00:39:49,830 --> 00:39:45,880
and they had seen four of them on their

765
00:39:52,170 --> 00:39:49,840
property down in the same area so that

766
00:39:55,170 --> 00:39:52,180
one was pretty amazing of course the

767
00:39:59,460 --> 00:39:55,180
cigar-shaped one and then the orbs the

768
00:40:03,420 --> 00:39:59,470
orbs that just do bizarre things and

769
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:03,430
then the actual saucers and and I had a

770
00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:05,920
guy called me one night and he said are

771
00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:09,040
you watching the triangular one up by

772
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:11,710
the moon and I said what try and it'll

773
00:40:17,730 --> 00:40:15,130
one you go out tonight with binoculars

774
00:40:19,890 --> 00:40:17,740
and look you didn't need binoculars I

775
00:40:22,590 --> 00:40:19,900
went up and looked and there was a

776
00:40:26,370 --> 00:40:22,600
triangular shaped object up by the moon

777
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:26,380
and it had to have been huge in order to

778
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:29,680
see it with your naked eye and it was

779
00:40:33,470 --> 00:40:31,930
there another couple of nights and then

780
00:40:40,890 --> 00:40:33,480
it was just gone

781
00:40:43,830 --> 00:40:40,900
so yeah Chris is right it's just amazing

782
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:43,840
I mean I've seen the silver the those

783
00:40:50,610 --> 00:40:47,770
you know real silvery kind of white

784
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:50,620
silver colored ones I don't know how

785
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:54,130
many times we were seeing them daily at

786
00:41:00,690 --> 00:40:57,370
one point and and those are the ones

787
00:41:02,220 --> 00:41:00,700
that are most commonly reported you also

788
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:02,230
have the small

789
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:08,410
ruby red orbs that are did zip around

790
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:12,210
pretty close to the ground you have

791
00:41:19,340 --> 00:41:14,650
there about baseball size and you have

792
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:19,350
basketball size orange lights that are

793
00:41:26,180 --> 00:41:23,440
fairly a fair number of them have been

794
00:41:28,770 --> 00:41:26,190
reported in and around mutilation sites

795
00:41:31,170 --> 00:41:28,780
then you have the the blue softball

796
00:41:34,290 --> 00:41:31,180
sized ones and then the large the large

797
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:34,300
blue ones some of the real reddish

798
00:41:39,450 --> 00:41:35,920
orange when she can get as big as a

799
00:41:42,090 --> 00:41:39,460
small house I've seen a couple of those

800
00:41:44,460 --> 00:41:42,100
go one right after the other all the way

801
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:44,470
down the valley we had treetop level and

802
00:41:48,660 --> 00:41:46,810
then one split and went to the west one

803
00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:48,670
splitting one to the south and they were

804
00:41:53,580 --> 00:41:51,730
about 500 feet below us in altitude in

805
00:41:55,950 --> 00:41:53,590
about eight minutes after we saw em boom

806
00:41:58,170 --> 00:41:55,960
here come to the fighter jets on full

807
00:42:04,070 --> 00:41:58,180
power chasing after him

808
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:04,080
so you could almost set your watch well

809
00:42:08,430 --> 00:42:06,490
they have some sort of way of knowing

810
00:42:12,660 --> 00:42:08,440
that they're around because you know

811
00:42:15,420 --> 00:42:12,670
quite a number of times it you know the

812
00:42:19,010 --> 00:42:15,430
conventional Air Force jets would show

813
00:42:21,359 --> 00:42:19,020
up Air National Guard or whomever and

814
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:21,369
and chase in the direction that these

815
00:42:27,330 --> 00:42:24,250
things seem to disappear and usually to

816
00:42:29,970 --> 00:42:27,340
the southwest or to the west or directly

817
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:29,980
south that's almost all the time that's

818
00:42:35,370 --> 00:42:31,930
where they go they head down towards New

819
00:42:39,950 --> 00:42:35,380
Mexico of course new border with New

820
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:39,960
Mexico is about 80 miles south of Judy

821
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:43,210
and and then the the valley actually

822
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:47,650
goes about another it's about 140 miles

823
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:49,810
long in the southern part of it's not

824
00:42:55,140 --> 00:42:51,490
called the San Luis Valley but it's all

825
00:42:57,660 --> 00:42:55,150
part of the the same geology in that the

826
00:43:03,510 --> 00:42:57,670
very bottom of the valley is Taos New

827
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:03,520
Mexico any reports of abductions or

828
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:08,050
contacts oh yeah yeah again a ranch a

829
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:12,970
ranching lady kind of near if you go in

830
00:43:19,620 --> 00:43:15,760
a straight line from Judy's to

831
00:43:22,410 --> 00:43:19,630
- highway 285 she lives here her ranch

832
00:43:23,970 --> 00:43:22,420
is right off of there and and the

833
00:43:25,890 --> 00:43:23,980
Sheriff's Office called me and told me

834
00:43:27,810 --> 00:43:25,900
about her and and said you know I really

835
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:27,820
think that this woman could use some

836
00:43:30,510 --> 00:43:28,330
help

837
00:43:32,700 --> 00:43:30,520
she doesn't want anybody to know so I

838
00:43:35,310 --> 00:43:32,710
don't know how to you know how you gonna

839
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:35,320
do it but you know please try to get in

840
00:43:40,370 --> 00:43:38,170
touch with her and and you know then

841
00:43:43,770 --> 00:43:40,380
talk to her and she had the most amazing

842
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:43,780
story which I put in secrets of the

843
00:43:49,170 --> 00:43:45,850
mysterious valley I mean just amazing

844
00:43:50,970 --> 00:43:49,180
and she had kept a journal and and had

845
00:43:53,250 --> 00:43:50,980
written down nights when she was having

846
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:53,260
these visitations and her her daughter

847
00:43:57,930 --> 00:43:55,810
and other nights when things were

848
00:44:00,780 --> 00:43:57,940
happening and I would look in my my

849
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:00,790
database my my event log and sure enough

850
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:05,290
I would be getting reports you know from

851
00:44:10,250 --> 00:44:08,050
that part of the valley so there was a

852
00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:10,260
lot of interesting correlations there

853
00:44:14,820 --> 00:44:13,510
she claims she lost a baby as she was

854
00:44:17,450 --> 00:44:14,830
entering her third trimester of

855
00:44:20,580 --> 00:44:17,460
pregnancy and when she went to the obg

856
00:44:23,580 --> 00:44:20,590
you know the kind of college astir

857
00:44:25,590 --> 00:44:23,590
you know her doctor they couldn't

858
00:44:26,460 --> 00:44:25,600
believe it they said it's it's like you

859
00:44:30,780 --> 00:44:26,470
were never pregnant

860
00:44:32,820 --> 00:44:30,790
and I guess there was some sort of there

861
00:44:34,980 --> 00:44:32,830
was no indication physically and

862
00:44:38,220 --> 00:44:34,990
hormonal II that she had been pregnant

863
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:38,230
and but she was obviously had been

864
00:44:41,450 --> 00:44:40,000
pregnant because they had ultrasounds

865
00:44:44,490 --> 00:44:41,460
and everything else with the baby so

866
00:44:46,380 --> 00:44:44,500
it's it's pretty interesting case I I

867
00:44:50,340 --> 00:44:46,390
would have thought that I would have had

868
00:44:52,830 --> 00:44:50,350
more but you know there there's been

869
00:44:55,830 --> 00:44:52,840
some contact type cases my neighbor

870
00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:55,840
actually and incresed stone had a group

871
00:44:59,700 --> 00:44:58,000
of of creatures that came through the

872
00:45:04,350 --> 00:44:59,710
wall and and we're really interested in

873
00:45:06,570 --> 00:45:04,360
her little boy who was gifted and other

874
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:06,580
people have have witnessed similar

875
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:08,560
things groups of these little gray types

876
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:10,690
coming through their wall and and

877
00:45:17,700 --> 00:45:14,290
checking them out but very few stories

878
00:45:20,580 --> 00:45:17,710
of people being taken but you you do you

879
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:20,590
do have Bigfoot sightings galore right

880
00:45:26,130 --> 00:45:23,970
or creature sightings oh yeah yeah yeah

881
00:45:27,900 --> 00:45:26,140
there's a bunch and there's somewhere

882
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:27,910
around the crest stone area now there's

883
00:45:31,020 --> 00:45:29,890
a I've been told

884
00:45:32,970 --> 00:45:31,030
that the last three or four years

885
00:45:35,460 --> 00:45:32,980
there's been a family that goes through

886
00:45:40,110 --> 00:45:35,470
that had South in the fall and then

887
00:45:45,540 --> 00:45:40,120
heads north in the spring and they've

888
00:45:47,850 --> 00:45:45,550
left some sign behind some what appear

889
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:47,860
to be you know signs in the forest where

890
00:45:57,570 --> 00:45:53,650
they stack wood together and stuff are

891
00:45:59,460 --> 00:45:57,580
they associated with the the objects no

892
00:46:02,130 --> 00:45:59,470
no not to my knowledge I mean we did

893
00:46:05,850 --> 00:46:02,140
have a wave of of sightings there was

894
00:46:07,980 --> 00:46:05,860
seven sightings in 10 days and then we

895
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:07,990
had UFO activity occurring in the valley

896
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:10,720
but not not near where the sightings are

897
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:21,040
the Bigfoot reports are from when was

898
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:30,250
this there were two different instances

899
00:46:36,060 --> 00:46:33,040
and the kids were only like four or five

900
00:46:38,730 --> 00:46:36,070
years old and they were lost in the

901
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:38,740
mountains for a couple of days and when

902
00:46:44,910 --> 00:46:41,200
he found them they each had the same

903
00:46:48,540 --> 00:46:44,920
story they said that this big bear took

904
00:46:51,150 --> 00:46:48,550
care of them I did hear about yeah last

905
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:51,160
summer yeah and I don't think it was a

906
00:46:56,970 --> 00:46:54,370
bear I think it was big no all right

907
00:46:58,980 --> 00:46:56,980
let's go ahead and we need to take our

908
00:47:01,710 --> 00:46:58,990
top of the hour break so and we come

909
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:01,720
back we will continue our conversation

910
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:04,720
about the San Luis Valley and Bigfoot

911
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:06,850
kidnapped children and more interesting

912
00:47:20,130 --> 00:47:16,920
now your electrifying hosts of exploring

913
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:20,140
the facade Timothy Beckley and team

914
00:47:29,540 --> 00:47:27,680
welcome back to exploring the bazaar our

915
00:47:33,530 --> 00:47:29,550
guests tonight are christopher o'brien

916
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:33,540
and judy ms Lane so Judy you were saying

917
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:37,770
that this year's Memorial Day weekend

918
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:39,890
you've got something special coming up

919
00:47:45,170 --> 00:47:42,720
yeah we're having a birthday party for

920
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:45,180
the UFO Watchtower we're going to be

921
00:47:51,530 --> 00:47:48,480
serving food have entertainment bouncy

922
00:47:55,100 --> 00:47:51,540
houses we're just going to go all out to

923
00:48:00,290 --> 00:47:55,110
make this a fun time and everybody is

924
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,300
welcome to come so now what what age is

925
00:48:07,370 --> 00:48:02,400
the UFO Watchtower for our listeners who

926
00:48:10,610 --> 00:48:07,380
don't know 20 years 20 years 20th

927
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:10,620
anniversary yeah well I hear Kris is

928
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:12,930
gonna be bringing down Kris is gonna be

929
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:18,330
bringing down his old band I hope no but

930
00:48:24,110 --> 00:48:20,490
I might be in the valley right during

931
00:48:28,450 --> 00:48:24,120
that time period Judy yeah I'm gonna

932
00:48:33,770 --> 00:48:28,460
come down and pay my internet bill and

933
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:33,780
and my you know the static IP bill which

934
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:35,970
we haven't forgotten about that we're

935
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:37,680
gonna be taking care of that and then

936
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:41,370
we're putting in a camera right down by

937
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:43,410
the high school about six miles south of

938
00:48:48,890 --> 00:48:46,170
Judy which will be up about 60 feet on a

939
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:48,900
cell tower and so we'll finally get our

940
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:53,810
triangulated system up and running and I

941
00:48:59,570 --> 00:48:55,890
think they're gonna have some sort of

942
00:49:03,590 --> 00:48:59,580
festival to the the sov voices folks

943
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:03,600
Adam log in his group are gonna have a

944
00:49:08,570 --> 00:49:05,520
festival and they want me to kind of be

945
00:49:10,130 --> 00:49:08,580
the emcee and give a presentation so

946
00:49:16,060 --> 00:49:10,140
it's going to be right around that time

947
00:49:23,330 --> 00:49:19,580
yeah well let's see if we can make

948
00:49:26,090 --> 00:49:23,340
everything dovetail together all right

949
00:49:28,340 --> 00:49:26,100
all right Chris well said since you

950
00:49:31,100 --> 00:49:28,350
brought it up why don't you why don't

951
00:49:34,250 --> 00:49:31,110
you tell our listeners I mean you know

952
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:34,260
the the current state of affairs with

953
00:49:39,230 --> 00:49:36,930
your whole the camera and

954
00:49:40,489 --> 00:49:39,240
data processing system you know you said

955
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:40,499
that you're going to be putting up

956
00:49:45,620 --> 00:49:42,960
another one to complete the

957
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:45,630
triangulation so you know what do you

958
00:49:50,019 --> 00:49:48,450
have so far well we have two cameras up

959
00:49:53,630 --> 00:49:50,029
but only one is running

960
00:49:57,859 --> 00:49:53,640
unfortunately we we had a camera up in

961
00:49:59,779 --> 00:49:57,869
the the the ISP guy that owns part of

962
00:50:03,559 --> 00:49:59,789
the tower he he got cold feet

963
00:50:05,930 --> 00:50:03,569
he he he found out that the Chinese are

964
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:05,940
really trying to trying to get into our

965
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:09,359
systems and he said now I'm just I'm too

966
00:50:17,539 --> 00:50:12,720
too nervous about opening up my my trunk

967
00:50:21,529 --> 00:50:17,549
lines to my servers to hackers and we

968
00:50:23,630 --> 00:50:21,539
haven't had any problems but the cameras

969
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:23,640
just hanging there on the cell tower so

970
00:50:28,339 --> 00:50:25,890
we're gonna go with another location for

971
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:28,349
the second camera and we're also going

972
00:50:36,289 --> 00:50:32,970
to put in our or our multi sensor data

973
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:36,299
acquisition unit which is a fancy way of

974
00:50:42,799 --> 00:50:39,119
saying that we have a box that has a

975
00:50:45,259 --> 00:50:42,809
Raspberry Pi based and Python open

976
00:50:47,470 --> 00:50:45,269
source computer language and what we've

977
00:50:48,670 --> 00:50:47,480
done is we put in a magnetometer a

978
00:50:53,390 --> 00:50:48,680
gravimeter

979
00:50:57,799 --> 00:50:53,400
and a complete ISS Space Station

980
00:51:01,849 --> 00:50:57,809
sort of atmospheric monitoring system

981
00:51:05,299 --> 00:51:01,859
with humidity temperature and barometric

982
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:05,309
pressure and we're also going to be

983
00:51:12,140 --> 00:51:08,690
plugging in a couple of extra scientific

984
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:12,150
monitoring instruments we can have as

985
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:16,079
many as six so one of these MSD au units

986
00:51:24,019 --> 00:51:18,450
is going to be going in as well so that

987
00:51:27,739 --> 00:51:24,029
if we have a UFO event automatically the

988
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:27,749
software and the camera will say whether

989
00:51:34,099 --> 00:51:30,930
it's a plane what type of plane whether

990
00:51:36,890 --> 00:51:34,109
it's an unknown object if it is we'll go

991
00:51:38,809 --> 00:51:36,900
ahead and record the event with two

992
00:51:40,690 --> 00:51:38,819
cameras the closest camera will be

993
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:40,700
zooming in on it

994
00:51:46,460 --> 00:51:43,650
we have motion tracking so no matter

995
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:46,470
where the object goes the cameras will

996
00:51:50,230 --> 00:51:48,720
be tracking it keeping it in the center

997
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:50,240
of the frame

998
00:51:54,910 --> 00:51:52,640
and and then of course we're going to go

999
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:54,920
into record mode with the with the

1000
00:52:01,900 --> 00:51:57,650
sensing equipment so at the end of the

1001
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:01,910
event it shoots off an email to you know

1002
00:52:08,350 --> 00:52:05,210
to the admin guys me and and Ronald our

1003
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:08,360
engineer and we're gonna probably happen

1004
00:52:12,550 --> 00:52:09,920
by that point we're gonna have some some

1005
00:52:14,980 --> 00:52:12,560
more help and then we're going to be

1006
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:14,990
able to then crunch the numbers and and

1007
00:52:20,950 --> 00:52:18,170
and see what we have and you know

1008
00:52:22,930 --> 00:52:20,960
everything's all based off GPS there'll

1009
00:52:25,390 --> 00:52:22,940
be a map that will show the actual track

1010
00:52:31,290 --> 00:52:25,400
of the the object we'll be able to

1011
00:52:33,970 --> 00:52:31,300
determine size speed altitude luminance

1012
00:52:36,730 --> 00:52:33,980
whether it's making some sort of

1013
00:52:38,109 --> 00:52:36,740
impression into the Earth's magnetic

1014
00:52:41,290 --> 00:52:38,119
field and whether there's some sort of

1015
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:41,300
gravity waves associated with the event

1016
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:44,450
we've already sold a number of systems

1017
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:48,050
we have one in Italy we have a system

1018
00:52:54,070 --> 00:52:50,810
going in next door to the skinwalker

1019
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:54,080
ranch in Utah we have a system that's

1020
00:52:59,230 --> 00:52:57,530
down in southern LA right on the the

1021
00:53:03,099 --> 00:52:59,240
beach looking out towards Catalina

1022
00:53:05,380 --> 00:53:03,109
Island in San Pedro we have a system

1023
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:05,390
going in up and near that tower you were

1024
00:53:12,220 --> 00:53:08,290
talking about Tim you know below yack

1025
00:53:15,070 --> 00:53:12,230
Walla Walla down towards the the Aqua

1026
00:53:18,190 --> 00:53:15,080
Indian Reservation and then we have

1027
00:53:19,810 --> 00:53:18,200
another system up in north still

1028
00:53:25,090 --> 00:53:19,820
activity going on around there do you

1029
00:53:27,130 --> 00:53:25,100
know yeah you win a basins like the

1030
00:53:29,260 --> 00:53:27,140
valley there's always stuff burbling

1031
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:29,270
there's always something going on and

1032
00:53:34,180 --> 00:53:30,800
then when it gets hot and heavy then

1033
00:53:37,570 --> 00:53:34,190
it's really apparent but there's a hot

1034
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:37,580
spot area will always have a small

1035
00:53:42,010 --> 00:53:39,440
amount of activity going at all times

1036
00:53:46,359 --> 00:53:42,020
and then waves of activity that come in

1037
00:53:49,359 --> 00:53:46,369
and it could be daily or nightly all

1038
00:53:51,310 --> 00:53:49,369
right okay first of all the Chinese why

1039
00:53:53,410 --> 00:53:51,320
would the Chinese be interested in I

1040
00:53:59,080 --> 00:53:53,420
don't know that's that's bizarre

1041
00:54:01,359 --> 00:53:59,090
yeah we had hundreds of what do you call

1042
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:01,369
it when the fishing attacks or whatever

1043
00:54:06,790 --> 00:54:04,250
whether they're trying to trying to

1044
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:06,800
find a doorway in I mean it's not only

1045
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:11,450
the Chinese we they seem to be the the

1046
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:14,960
most most of the hacker saw are coming

1047
00:54:21,550 --> 00:54:16,490
from China but then we have some from

1048
00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:21,560
Europe and some from the Ukraine yeah

1049
00:54:31,060 --> 00:54:24,250
yeah yeah what's his name

1050
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:31,070
zero nos he knows Olinsky no I can never

1051
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:38,570
pronounce Igor its Vladimir zorroski I

1052
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:39,440
think or something

1053
00:54:50,110 --> 00:54:44,330
he's uh he's uh he's uh we have a little

1054
00:54:51,970 --> 00:54:50,120
note in there go bother Donald Trump so

1055
00:54:53,890 --> 00:54:51,980
anyway it's really exciting

1056
00:54:56,260 --> 00:54:53,900
you know the UFO dot project is the

1057
00:54:58,840 --> 00:54:56,270
first of its kind where you have

1058
00:55:00,910 --> 00:54:58,850
triangulated cameras working in

1059
00:55:04,060 --> 00:55:00,920
conjunction once we get up and rolling

1060
00:55:06,370 --> 00:55:04,070
and you know hasslein was in norway you

1061
00:55:08,650 --> 00:55:06,380
mentioned earlier yeah they've had a

1062
00:55:10,590 --> 00:55:08,660
camera and some scientific here there

1063
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:10,600
but they haven't been triangulating

1064
00:55:15,460 --> 00:55:13,370
we're gonna be the first system that has

1065
00:55:18,850 --> 00:55:15,470
has actual motion tracking and

1066
00:55:21,580 --> 00:55:18,860
triangulation as well as the the sensing

1067
00:55:24,220 --> 00:55:21,590
equipment so it's it's really exciting

1068
00:55:26,590 --> 00:55:24,230
and you know we might be in on making an

1069
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:26,600
announcement we're going to be working

1070
00:55:32,980 --> 00:55:29,440
in conjunction with a pretty well-known

1071
00:55:35,530 --> 00:55:32,990
long-established UFO study group and

1072
00:55:39,100 --> 00:55:35,540
scientific group we beat them to the

1073
00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:39,110
punch so they said well since--since you

1074
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:40,640
you're the first ones there we're not

1075
00:55:44,740 --> 00:55:42,650
gonna you know we're not gonna reinvent

1076
00:55:47,490 --> 00:55:44,750
the wheel so how about if we give you

1077
00:55:49,570 --> 00:55:47,500
some money and help help you guys out so

1078
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:49,580
that's how I'm gonna be paying for the

1079
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:51,410
trip going down to the valley again here

1080
00:55:55,390 --> 00:55:53,810
this spring and and I'm also putting a

1081
00:55:57,580 --> 00:55:55,400
camera up on the other side of the

1082
00:55:59,740 --> 00:55:57,590
Sangre de Cristo's over in the where for

1083
00:56:02,290 --> 00:55:59,750
know valley which is right in the La

1084
00:56:05,530 --> 00:56:02,300
Veta military operations area like to

1085
00:56:09,970 --> 00:56:05,540
kind of get some some footage of some of

1086
00:56:13,780 --> 00:56:09,980
our I don't know some of our technology

1087
00:56:15,370 --> 00:56:13,790
flying around now you we published a

1088
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:15,380
couple of photographs and they're on

1089
00:56:24,100 --> 00:56:18,170
your website

1090
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:24,110
screens planet our straight fellated

1091
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:27,170
ok.com of course there are some

1092
00:56:31,810 --> 00:56:29,810
photographs on there that were taken in

1093
00:56:34,330 --> 00:56:31,820
the valley there's one that kind of

1094
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:34,340
looks like a wispy a cloud or something

1095
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:38,930
that's moving across the the picture but

1096
00:56:41,950 --> 00:56:40,640
it's not very high up in the air it

1097
00:56:44,500 --> 00:56:41,960
doesn't appear to be and then of course

1098
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:44,510
there's the morphing UFO

1099
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:47,090
have you taken pictures of anything

1100
00:56:51,940 --> 00:56:49,280
since you've gotten your one working

1101
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:51,950
camera installed yeah we have we've had

1102
00:56:57,370 --> 00:56:54,530
some interesting non nighttime stuff we

1103
00:57:00,610 --> 00:56:57,380
had a weird it looked like a swarm of

1104
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:00,620
some sort of like maybe nanobots or

1105
00:57:05,110 --> 00:57:03,170
something that went by one night we have

1106
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:05,120
no idea what it is we're still

1107
00:57:09,580 --> 00:57:07,970
scratching our heads it it almost looked

1108
00:57:12,940 --> 00:57:09,590
like some something that was not quite

1109
00:57:14,740 --> 00:57:12,950
manifest it looked like a shadow in the

1110
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:14,750
air that flew across our camera that's

1111
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:18,170
the weirdest thing that we've gotten we

1112
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:21,050
haven't been up in operating as

1113
00:57:26,170 --> 00:57:23,450
effectively as we want because we've

1114
00:57:28,180 --> 00:57:26,180
been training the software to identify

1115
00:57:31,150 --> 00:57:28,190
it when it goes into record mode it'll

1116
00:57:33,700 --> 00:57:31,160
put a box in in a label on everything in

1117
00:57:36,790 --> 00:57:33,710
the frame in other words cars going by

1118
00:57:40,810 --> 00:57:36,800
will say cars bushes will say bushes

1119
00:57:44,050 --> 00:57:40,820
trees will say trees you know how birds

1120
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:44,060
will say Birds airplanes depending on

1121
00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:47,570
the type of the pattern of the the FAA

1122
00:57:53,910 --> 00:57:50,110
lights there'll be a label on those so

1123
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:53,920
with deep learning and and you know AI

1124
00:57:58,570 --> 00:57:56,210
techniques where we're training the

1125
00:58:03,490 --> 00:57:58,580
software to be more discriminating to

1126
00:58:05,110 --> 00:58:03,500
eliminate false positives and and so you

1127
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:05,120
know we we have gotten a few things but

1128
00:58:08,620 --> 00:58:07,370
we really haven't been set up to to

1129
00:58:11,740 --> 00:58:08,630
really have the thing you know in

1130
00:58:14,770 --> 00:58:11,750
fine-tuned and and ready to rock

1131
00:58:16,180 --> 00:58:14,780
we've just let it go for a couple of

1132
00:58:18,550 --> 00:58:16,190
days and then we've gone back and

1133
00:58:20,740 --> 00:58:18,560
reviewed the footage until we get that

1134
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:20,750
second camera up and we get the the

1135
00:58:26,260 --> 00:58:23,690
magnetometer and gravimeter and get the

1136
00:58:29,140 --> 00:58:26,270
the software we're almost done training

1137
00:58:30,790 --> 00:58:29,150
the software to be discriminating once

1138
00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:30,800
that happens then we'll be up and

1139
00:58:36,099 --> 00:58:31,609
running

1140
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:36,109
and will supply people with the software

1141
00:58:43,479 --> 00:58:39,650
upgrade so that their software and their

1142
00:58:48,940 --> 00:58:43,489
in their systems will be you know up to

1143
00:58:51,029 --> 00:58:48,950
speed so isn't it amazing though Chris I

1144
00:58:55,739 --> 00:58:51,039
mean from the time that you first

1145
00:58:58,569 --> 00:58:55,749
conceived this this idea how how quickly

1146
00:59:00,849 --> 00:58:58,579
technology has made itself available

1147
00:59:02,319 --> 00:59:00,859
that you know a lot of these things that

1148
00:59:04,329 --> 00:59:02,329
you thought are you know originally

1149
00:59:06,309 --> 00:59:04,339
probably impossible yeah you know you

1150
00:59:09,269 --> 00:59:06,319
can now do I mean just just the

1151
00:59:11,979 --> 00:59:09,279
Raspberry Pi alone you know I mean how

1152
00:59:15,569 --> 00:59:11,989
it's amazing how much you can you know

1153
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:15,579
get that to do our system started about

1154
00:59:21,309 --> 00:59:18,799
$450 and go up to about 5,000 and the

1155
00:59:24,910 --> 00:59:21,319
$5,000 system is state-of-the-art in

1156
00:59:27,089 --> 00:59:24,920
terms of you know having a 30 36 times

1157
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:27,099
optical zoom and pan tilt zoom camera

1158
00:59:32,650 --> 00:59:29,839
with environmental enclosure that'll

1159
00:59:36,239 --> 00:59:32,660
protect it from 120 degrees down to 50

1160
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:36,249
below really good optics and our cameras

1161
00:59:43,959 --> 00:59:40,400
our single-shot cameras that don't pan

1162
00:59:46,449 --> 00:59:43,969
tilt and zoom are 90 degree cameras and

1163
00:59:48,279 --> 00:59:46,459
they have a much better quality optics

1164
00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:48,289
in there so you can actually have a

1165
00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:52,400
couple of small cameras and the software

1166
00:59:58,449 --> 00:59:54,559
and you could you could be ready to go

1167
01:00:01,239 --> 00:59:58,459
for about for a little over $400 so if I

1168
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:01,249
had tried to do this system 20 years ago

1169
01:00:06,789 --> 01:00:03,170
it would have cost hundreds of thousands

1170
01:00:09,699 --> 01:00:06,799
of dollars I probably have not have deer

1171
01:00:13,239 --> 01:00:09,709
near the quality yeah exactly can get

1172
01:00:16,660 --> 01:00:13,249
now yeah yeah yeah we can go you know

1173
01:00:21,249 --> 01:00:16,670
yeah we can go for a K if we had the

1174
01:00:23,589 --> 01:00:21,259
bandwidth well and and that I can

1175
01:00:25,660 --> 01:00:23,599
imagine would problem is is a problem

1176
01:00:28,449 --> 01:00:25,670
considering some of the you know I mean

1177
01:00:32,949 --> 01:00:28,459
the remote locations you know in the

1178
01:00:35,380 --> 01:00:32,959
valley yeah we can go off cell towers

1179
01:00:38,650 --> 01:00:35,390
you know you can set up a hot spot with

1180
01:00:41,229 --> 01:00:38,660
a phone but you know the places that

1181
01:00:43,059 --> 01:00:41,239
we're looking at or places that have

1182
01:00:45,370 --> 01:00:43,069
high-speed internet because all these

1183
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:45,380
cameras are talking to each other

1184
01:00:51,490 --> 01:00:49,280
and talking to the software package over

1185
01:00:55,090 --> 01:00:51,500
the internet so we're you know we can

1186
01:00:58,570 --> 01:00:55,100
control the cameras from Leon Van Nuys

1187
01:01:00,730 --> 01:00:58,580
where Ron is he can control cameras all

1188
01:01:02,770 --> 01:01:00,740
over the world and then we're going to

1189
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:02,780
have a centralized data collection point

1190
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:05,690
where everybody's systems if they want

1191
01:01:11,290 --> 01:01:07,730
to be involved in the you know the big

1192
01:01:14,650 --> 01:01:11,300
you forgot system then we supply

1193
01:01:17,980 --> 01:01:14,660
analytical services as well for you know

1194
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:17,990
for unknowns we have a team of very

1195
01:01:23,050 --> 01:01:20,480
qualified individuals it'll be helping

1196
01:01:26,170 --> 01:01:23,060
ID what particular objects are and and

1197
01:01:29,140 --> 01:01:26,180
really you know trying to get that that

1198
01:01:31,570 --> 01:01:29,150
all-important you know repeat set of

1199
01:01:34,750 --> 01:01:31,580
data so that we can start to analyze it

1200
01:01:38,500 --> 01:01:34,760
scientifically amazing just absolutely

1201
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:38,510
amazing the technology since Roswell

1202
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:43,520
right yeah 20 20 year dream and I've

1203
01:01:49,300 --> 01:01:46,210
been I've been working actually working

1204
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:49,310
diligently on this for 12 years well I

1205
01:01:54,940 --> 01:01:51,410
know you I know you have you been at the

1206
01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:54,950
forefront of the of the legitimate

1207
01:01:59,410 --> 01:01:57,770
research you know in the in the states

1208
01:02:01,120 --> 01:01:59,420
here and it's good to see that this is

1209
01:02:05,170 --> 01:02:01,130
finally getting underway you know yeah

1210
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:05,180
and it is it is a hard core hand-picked

1211
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:08,930
a group of individuals that are that are

1212
01:02:14,890 --> 01:02:12,050
doing this now and on a global scale you

1213
01:02:17,890 --> 01:02:14,900
know we talked about this for many many

1214
01:02:20,500 --> 01:02:17,900
years and now ignored Norway in

1215
01:02:22,870 --> 01:02:20,510
different places and all their the set

1216
01:02:24,970 --> 01:02:22,880
up is is going up and continuing and

1217
01:02:26,230 --> 01:02:24,980
maybe we'll get some answers I don't

1218
01:02:28,750 --> 01:02:26,240
know what kind of answers we're gonna

1219
01:02:31,060 --> 01:02:28,760
get at me what what do you expect to get

1220
01:02:34,540 --> 01:02:31,070
to what kind of answers do you expect

1221
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:34,550
again I mean is it possible to tell like

1222
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:38,570
the the the the material what what makes

1223
01:02:42,250 --> 01:02:40,250
up these crafts are these objects or

1224
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:42,260
things that are that are going by I mean

1225
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:43,730
is there any way of doing that to

1226
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:47,570
determining the content of the of the

1227
01:02:53,470 --> 01:02:50,090
object composition really I think it's

1228
01:02:58,120 --> 01:02:53,480
more of a propulsion diagnostic we'll be

1229
01:02:59,880 --> 01:02:58,130
able to to establish sighs you know the

1230
01:03:02,890 --> 01:02:59,890
actual

1231
01:03:07,089 --> 01:03:02,900
aeronautical abilities of the craft will

1232
01:03:10,150 --> 01:03:07,099
be able to look at energy expenditure

1233
01:03:13,690 --> 01:03:10,160
how much energy they're actually using

1234
01:03:15,790 --> 01:03:13,700
will be able to see whether their

1235
01:03:18,819 --> 01:03:15,800
propulsion systems have an effect on the

1236
01:03:22,089 --> 01:03:18,829
Earth's gravity or the Earth's magnetic

1237
01:03:25,530 --> 01:03:22,099
field and we're also going to be doing I

1238
01:03:28,780 --> 01:03:25,540
want to do these acoustic wave

1239
01:03:31,569 --> 01:03:28,790
monitoring too with these big plate mics

1240
01:03:33,730 --> 01:03:31,579
so that we can record extremely low

1241
01:03:36,220 --> 01:03:33,740
frequency waves when these things do

1242
01:03:39,849 --> 01:03:36,230
right angle turns they they actually

1243
01:03:43,150 --> 01:03:39,859
create subsonic audio waves that you

1244
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:43,160
know will go for you know maybe even

1245
01:03:48,819 --> 01:03:44,930
hundreds of miles we don't know but

1246
01:03:51,430 --> 01:03:48,829
they're so deep and and and low low

1247
01:03:55,030 --> 01:03:51,440
pitch that you know your ears can't hear

1248
01:03:58,030 --> 01:03:55,040
them but they're there we've had enough

1249
01:03:59,500 --> 01:03:58,040
indication of some you know project

1250
01:04:01,000 --> 01:03:59,510
starlight rays Stanford's group for

1251
01:04:02,380 --> 01:04:01,010
instance they were able to establish

1252
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:02,390
that there was an extremely low

1253
01:04:08,020 --> 01:04:04,730
frequency waves going on and so if we

1254
01:04:12,370 --> 01:04:08,030
get a pzm mic and record those audio

1255
01:04:15,550 --> 01:04:12,380
signatures you know we'll be able to to

1256
01:04:17,140 --> 01:04:15,560
you know optical physics and and some

1257
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:17,150
other scientific disciplines will be

1258
01:04:21,730 --> 01:04:20,210
able to you know to really determine a

1259
01:04:26,589 --> 01:04:21,740
lot of things how they're able to fly

1260
01:04:29,609 --> 01:04:26,599
without creating sonic booms you know

1261
01:04:33,309 --> 01:04:29,619
size luminance energy expansion

1262
01:04:35,620 --> 01:04:33,319
expenditures you know there's gonna be a

1263
01:04:38,950 --> 01:04:35,630
bunch and if we can duplicate that in a

1264
01:04:40,930 --> 01:04:38,960
second third sighting event then we

1265
01:04:44,140 --> 01:04:40,940
replicated data and that's the holy

1266
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:44,150
grail of Sciences you know being able to

1267
01:04:50,650 --> 01:04:46,970
look at not just one set of data but two

1268
01:04:53,559 --> 01:04:50,660
three four sets to you know compare and

1269
01:04:56,230 --> 01:04:53,569
and yeah you know just bounce one off

1270
01:04:58,839 --> 01:04:56,240
the other that's how you do good science

1271
01:05:00,579 --> 01:04:58,849
you know you create a hypothesis and

1272
01:05:03,339 --> 01:05:00,589
then you collect the data to support it

1273
01:05:05,859 --> 01:05:03,349
and one one one set of data is not going

1274
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:05,869
to is going to be equivocal you have to

1275
01:05:21,030 --> 01:05:13,990
all right well Judy so okay from Chris's

1276
01:05:25,750 --> 01:05:21,040
a high tech to the human perspective can

1277
01:05:27,430 --> 01:05:25,760
people come to the UFO Watchtower at at

1278
01:05:31,359 --> 01:05:27,440
any time I mean are you open all year

1279
01:05:35,230 --> 01:05:31,369
round we stay open on weekends in the

1280
01:05:39,609 --> 01:05:35,240
winter and we're only open from 10:00 to

1281
01:05:42,220 --> 01:05:39,619
4:00 because it's so plastic cold but

1282
01:05:44,980 --> 01:05:42,230
anyway and then when we get into spring

1283
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:44,990
and summer were open daily from 10:00 to

1284
01:05:49,390 --> 01:05:46,970
5:00 if they want to go up on the tower

1285
01:05:54,099 --> 01:05:49,400
at night they let us know and that's no

1286
01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:54,109
problem well I would think that despite

1287
01:06:00,790 --> 01:05:57,770
the cold a lot of times the cold air is

1288
01:06:03,339 --> 01:06:00,800
the clearest and you could probably have

1289
01:06:07,630 --> 01:06:03,349
some of your best sightings on a low

1290
01:06:10,660 --> 01:06:07,640
humidity to the semi-arid hazard yep and

1291
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:10,670
it is I mean like right now I mean it's

1292
01:06:17,950 --> 01:06:13,250
just the stars are just bright bright

1293
01:06:20,410 --> 01:06:17,960
bright the sky is bright so um I had a

1294
01:06:24,210 --> 01:06:20,420
guy call earlier and he wanted to go up

1295
01:06:31,780 --> 01:06:24,220
on the tower tonight I don't care but I

1296
01:06:32,890 --> 01:06:31,790
worry about them freezing to death you

1297
01:06:40,210 --> 01:06:32,900
know you don't want to get up in the

1298
01:06:42,730 --> 01:06:40,220
morning and find a human sickle we've

1299
01:06:45,819 --> 01:06:42,740
had a lot of people that wanted to go up

1300
01:06:48,460 --> 01:06:45,829
this winter and and I said okay go ahead

1301
01:06:50,620 --> 01:06:48,470
but you better bundle up and you guys

1302
01:06:53,890 --> 01:06:50,630
they're only up there for 10 or 15

1303
01:06:55,750 --> 01:06:53,900
minutes and they're out of there so all

1304
01:06:57,630 --> 01:06:55,760
right well unfortunately we only have

1305
01:07:00,870 --> 01:06:57,640
about four minutes left in the show so

1306
01:07:04,690 --> 01:07:00,880
Judy why don't you let our audience know

1307
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:04,700
where they can find you not only your

1308
01:07:08,710 --> 01:07:06,290
your physical location the where the

1309
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:08,720
watch tower is but your online presence

1310
01:07:18,579 --> 01:07:12,250
as well okay yeah it's UFO Watchtower

1311
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:18,589
dot-com and and then we have UFO

1312
01:07:22,990 --> 01:07:21,650
Watchtower at yahoo.com so if they want

1313
01:07:27,010 --> 01:07:23,000
to send an email that

1314
01:07:27,580 --> 01:07:27,020
fine too and and and where are you

1315
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:27,590
located

1316
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:31,250
nor is it north of Hooper we're yeah

1317
01:07:44,380 --> 01:07:37,490
we're 22 miles north of Alamosa two

1318
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:44,390
miles north of poopers all right and

1319
01:07:52,270 --> 01:07:47,810
your book title again is that crazy lady

1320
01:07:59,560 --> 01:07:52,280
down the road well I I object to that

1321
01:08:01,450 --> 01:07:59,570
title I don't think she's that crazy it

1322
01:08:05,650 --> 01:08:01,460
makes a great title for a book though it

1323
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:05,660
does indeed yeah and easy to remember

1324
01:08:13,540 --> 01:08:10,010
and Chris tell us about your music and

1325
01:08:16,030 --> 01:08:13,550
your books and your website and you know

1326
01:08:16,930 --> 01:08:16,040
it's our strange planet calm we live in

1327
01:08:21,370 --> 01:08:16,940
a strange planet

1328
01:08:25,660 --> 01:08:21,380
it's our strange planet calm and it's

1329
01:08:29,470 --> 01:08:25,670
UFO D is in dog a as in Apple P is in P

1330
01:08:33,790 --> 01:08:29,480
so UFO Dapp which stands for UFO data

1331
01:08:37,300 --> 01:08:33,800
acquisition project UFO dap calm and we

1332
01:08:40,270 --> 01:08:37,310
we do have a GoFundMe page up this is

1333
01:08:43,060 --> 01:08:40,280
all being put together with on a

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